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Monday @12:14 PM ~ Mano Nativo ~ I'm with you. I just sent an Email Invite to you with a brief mensaje via your Email Address above. We can start from scratch.Post an article about what you want. Do you have a blog? Sometimes I will blog something post it with the Blog URL Websource Link, thus, there are two URLs: one for the blog and one for the Group Message in the Group matrix.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Aztlannet_News/
Key Link=
http://www.0101aztlan.net/
Venceremos! ~ Peta Lopez
Cell #916/ 968-1023
P.S. Remember you can check out group messages in different ways, then you can always Edit Membership afterwards in terms of how you want to check out group messages. Maybe Digest or Special Notices.
I usually get all Email from groups of which I am the Moderator, but this may be too time consuming for you. Time is sacred AND a tyrant.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Humane-Rights-Agenda/
http://humane-rights-agenda.blogspot.com/
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Nativo Lopez wrote:
Email= nlopez@hermandadmexicana.org
Peter:
No, I did not see the response. Believe me when I tell you that it could be incredibly easy to response to these unwarranted, baseless, and envious attacks. The funny thing is that I have never had a cross word, or exchanged any bad blood writings, with Javier Rodriguez. I don't know where he is coming from. The two organizations I represent no longer belong to the March 25th Coalition due to the same character assassination we observe against other organizations and individuals. We concluded that it was only a matter of time that the coalition would begin to turn on itself. This has already begun. And, this is unfortunate.
That being said, how do I access the group to send a message? Believe me when I tell you that it will be constructive and instructive. We are not interested in entering a sterile tit for tat with anyone. Better to lay out our strategic thinking on the immigration question and the current level of repression we are encountering. This would be much more productive and positive.
Saludos.
Nativo V. Lopez
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From: Peter S. Lopez de Aztlan [mailto:sacranative@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sun 9/17/2006 12:30 PM
To: Nativo Lopez
Subject: Read: Nativo; from Peta About Aztlannet_News Group and 'stuff'
12:30 AM ~ Gracias for your timely response Companero Nativo ~ I for one appreciate your analyses and interviews. We always need more.
You are absolutely correct and support your ideas about true dialogue and fruitful discussion versus mere counter-productive personal attacks.
Now that I am on board with the group as a Moderator I want to make it wide open, but will wait a spell. By wide open I mean that anyone can join without having to state why or what, just a general agreement with the Group description, or why join? I still do not have total access to all the Group Management functions.
In the Group Settings now any so-called Chicano can just type in any damn thing that would be palpable to enter and join up. I go more by what a person posts in terms of it is appropriate or not. It is a matter of group settings I want to eventually change. My main group has close to 300 members and you can join @
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Humane-Rights-Agenda/
In regards personal attacks you may be referring to:
Lessons of the movement by Javier Rodriguez
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Aztlannet_News/message/24236
At the time, I did not know WHO JAVIER WAS, but in response {not reaction} I posted:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Aztlannet_News/message/24239
Javiera; Mistakes Re: [Aztlannet_News] Lessons of the movement by Javier Rodriguez
Gracias Hermano Jarvier for sharing your analyses, as obscure as they were! Sharing is caring!
I am a 54-year old Chicano with a lifelong commitment to the liberation of all peoples and the main movement I am interested in is the People’s Liberation Movement that aims to topple the Amerikan Empire in the long run and survive while adhering to humane socialist principles under the present fascist disorder in the short-run.
I was born and raised in Sacramento. Other than a few years in Phoenix long ago I have been stationed up here in ‘el norte’. Still waters run deep. I am not privy to the petty power struggles and inner maneuvers that have taken place in regards to relations between the March 25th Coalition and Nativo Lopez of MAPA.
Is this dirty laundry? Do you speak for the March 25th Coalition? I have no idea who Sarah Knopp is, know the March 25th Movement got the Grande Marcha going along with many others in Los Angeles and the only NAIR I ever knew about removed unwanted hair.
Your movement musings seem disconnected and scattered out, especially as a lot of background is missing unless one is ‘in the know’. Nor do I think this is the best forum for your exhibition of these lessons. Some matters are best left for internal discussions among the parties and principals involved behind closed door with the idea of forging a strong united front based upon mutual respect and solvent solidarity.
Do you harbor resentment about not taking the job with Angelides? Who knows and who cares?
We should all be focusing on voter registration right now, along with our general community education work in our local communities! Time is sacred!
The main idea I got from your post seems to be a criticism of Companero Nativo Lopez as a Lone Ranger and his perception by many as ‘the leader’ of the Immigrant Rights Movement.
If you have not noticed, we need vanguard leadership and we should earnestly work to cultivate new cadres! Is there egotism and individualism there between you and Compa Nativo?
However, since you opened up this can of serpents via this little Email, let me stress to you that now more than ever we need to have strong unity based upon humane principles, a common agenda and continue working together being honest, open and willing to learn from the lessons and mistakes of the past in order to guide future projects.
Be of a brave heart. Faint hearts never win decisive battles and the People’s War goes on!
No one has a monopoly on the Movimiento and certainly no one has the corner on the truth. Our is not the only way to liberation, ours is another way.
Ultimately, direct action makes the frontlines and we ask permission from no one to wage our struggles for liberation!
Remember the story of the crabs in the open barrel at Fisherman’s Wharf? Why pull anyone down to get ahead?
Creed Of The Dreamkeepers~~ "If you have come here to help me, you are wasting your time.... But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together."
~ Australian Aboriginal Elder Lilla Watson
http://www.dreamkeepers.net/
Venceremos Unidos! We Will Win Together!
Peta de Aztlan
Email: sacranative{at}yahoo.com
Sacramento, Califas
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Sunday, June 18, 2006
On the Role of Humane Beings in the Immigrant Rights Movement: 6-18-06
http://liberation-now.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-role-of-humane-beings-in-immigrant.html
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Tuesday, June 06, 2006
06/06/2006: On Chicanos and the Old Chicano Movement!
By Peta de Aztlan
http://liberation-now.blogspot.com/2006/06/06062006-on-chicanos-and-old-chicano.html
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Sunday, April 16, 2006
On the Spiritual Awakening of La Raza Cosmica:
Easter Sunday, April 16, 2006
http://liberation-now.blogspot.com/2006/04/on-spiritual-awakening-of-la-raza.html
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Then, for future reference, I blogged this:
http://native-resistance.blogspot.com/2006/09/echo-lessons-of-movement-by-javier.html
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Does the above ring a bell or two?
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We have you as a member with a sbcglobal Email Address:
NativoVigilL... nativolopez@sbcglobal...
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As a Ministry, I work with homeless addicts seeking recovery with a progressive Christian recovery group called CASA at the local Salvation Army Shelter and have been doing this for going on 10 years. We have a new Yahoo Group hardly used and a blog.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CASA-12-Steps/
I am sensitive to the character defects, resentments and expectations in others and myself with an eye for continued real spiritual growth. I think the 12-Steps have universal applicability to people in general.
For employment, I work part-time as a health care worker for a disabled friend in a in-home situation. Thus, I have the time and circumstance to be on the Internet.
All I really want to do these days is write a few poems and other stuff but reality around me beckons and time is a heartless tyrant!
Venceremos Unidos,
Che Peta
P.S. Yahoo Groups are not really list servs to me as there are more functions and settings, plus, better message search capacity.
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RE: Private: Nativo; Re SF Chron Article: "Latino political clout grows Convention a step toward creating national movement"
Nativo Lopez wrote:
Email= nlopez@hermandadmexicana.org
Peter:
I don't know if I am a member of the yahoogroup. I have attempted to send information back to the group, especially in relation to attacks made against the two organizations that I represent, and against me personally, but I was unsuccessful.
I believe that this listservs should be used for political and ideological debate, discussion, etc., but not for personal and political attacks. Otherwise, open it up to all to do likewise, and allow people an opportunity to respond to the attacks. That would be fair.
The two organizations that I represent, Hermandad Mexicana Latinoamericana, and the Mexican American Political Association (MAPA), and by whom I have been duly elected by their respective conventions, have literally hundreds of thousands of members, and both have a long history of struggle, as do I.
Unwarranted attacks of a personal and political character require a response. What is fair is fair.
Saludos.
Nativo V. Lopez
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From: Peter S. Lopez de Aztlan [mailto:sacranative@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sat 9/16/2006 10:18 PM
To: Nativo Lopez
Subject: Private: Nativot; Re SF Chron Article: "Latino political clout grows Convention a step toward creating national movement"
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9/16/2006 10 PM
Gracias Companero Nativo ~ I joined Aztlannet_News Yahoo Group August 25th and shortly after was asked to become a Group Moderator by Companero Guillermo Bejarano the webmaster for the http://www.0101aztlan.net/ websote.
Sometimes I post difficult questions, as sometimes we have to ask the right questions in order to have good answers.
My style involves being Honest, Open and Willing to learn and that is HOW my program works.
I am ‘up here’ in Sacramento and out of the gossip mill down south, but I know there is some free-floating anger, hostility and resentments among some in leadership positions. We should support those who take new ground. Direct actions make the frontlines. I have been in this war of life for decades and know alliances often shift in fluid situations.
I do ‘stuff’ online, offline out in my local community and in line attending to my own spiritual growth in order to maintain a dynamic living balance.
I am the manager for the Humane-Rights-Agenda Yahoo Group founded on July 22, 2001, which now has 388 Members. It is a wide-open progressive group with two other Moderators {one from Arizona and one in Australia}. Our basic common denominator is the fight for humane rights, it ain’t brain surgery!
In general, I report the news online and let readers come to their own conclusions. I believe we need more general analyses about current events and various ‘issues in question’ in order to help raise humane consciousness in general. Sharing is caring.
Watching ‘Windtalkers’ right now. I saw it before but a repeat is good. Keep Up the Good Work! Write more!!!
Venceremos Unidos! ~Peta~
Email: sacranative@yahoo.com
DDN Profile= http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/sacranative
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Humane-Rights-Agenda/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Aztlannet_News/
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Nativo Lopez wrote:
Email: nlopez@hermandadmexicana.org
Peter:
Well stated.
Nativo V. Lopez
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From: Peter S. Lopez de Aztlan [mailto:sacranative@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sat 9/16/2006 9:49 AM
To: Aztlannet_News@yahoogroups.com; Humane-Rights-Agenda GROUP
Cc: Nativo Lopez-MAPA; Presidente LULAC; Antonio-Villaraigosa Mayor-Los Angeles; oct29@deliberate.com; thendricks@sfchronicle.com; Group
Subject: Dorinda> Re SF Chron Article: "Latino political clout grows Convention a step toward creating national movement"
Sabbath Morning ~ Feliz Diez y Seis de Septiembre!
Gracias Companera Dorinda ~
I posted and blogged an Aztlan News Report last Thursday that included this article by Tyche Hendricks from the SF Chronicle {E-mail: thendricks@sfchronicle.com}.
URL Weblink:
http://humane-rights-agenda.blogspot.com/2006/09/9-14-06-aztlannetnews-report.html
I appreciate you amplifying this article. As Senor Hedricks wrote:
‘Today it's more difficult to bridge the sometimes-conflicting approaches of political organizations representing diverse segments of the nation's 43 million-strong Latino population.’
No separate organization should want to have its own fiefdom and build up its own hierarchy over the masses of Latinos. We should be working in harmony with each other and come together on a common agenda with common priorities for our collective empowerment, but our own character defects and shortcomings often stand in the way.
Main Entry: fief
Pronunciation: 'fEf
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Old French -- more at FEE
1 : a feudal estate : FEE
2 : something over which one has rights or exercises control <a politician's fief>
- fief·dom /-d&m/ noun
Main Entry: hi·er·ar·chy
Pronunciation: 'hI-(&-)"rär-kE also 'hi(-&)r-"är-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -chies
Etymology: Middle English ierarchie rank or order of holy beings, from Anglo-French jerarchie, from Medieval Latin hierarchia, from Late Greek, from Greek hierarchEs
1 : a division of angels
2 a : a ruling body of clergy organized into orders or ranks each subordinate to the one above it; especially : the bishops of a province or nation b : church government by a hierarchy
3 : a body of persons in authority
4 : the classification of a group of people according to ability or to economic, social, or professional standing; also : the group so classified
5 : a graded or ranked series <a hierarchy of values>
I pray this organizational leadership plague will work itself out as we grow, expand and understand more about the principles of democratic centralism and are all led by humane democratic-socialist principles, not mere mortals.
"It's critical that we have unity, that our civic organizations unite to make us more powerful in our struggles," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told the roughly 1,200 participants in the National Latino Congreso. "We have more in common than the differences we may have."
Si Se Puede!
Peta de Aztlan
Sacra, Califas
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dorindamoreno wrote:
Email: dorindamoreno@comcast.net
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Latino political clout grows
Convention a step toward creating national movement
- Tyche Hendricks, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, September 10, 2006
(09-10) 04:00 PDT Los Angeles -- Tapping the passion that drew millions of Latinos to immigrant rights marches last spring, leaders from numerous national Hispanic organizations culminated a four-day conference Saturday with agreement on a broad political platform.
Participants called it an important step in building a unified, national Latino political movement.
"It's critical that we have unity, that our civic organizations unite to make us more powerful in our struggles," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told the roughly 1,200 participants in the National Latino Congreso. "We have more in common than the differences we may have."
Organizers said it was the first time since a 1977 Latino "congress" that so many groups had made a coordinated push to strengthen Latino political clout.
The event brought together a high-profile roster of Latino leaders, ranging from United Farm Workers Union co-founder Dolores Huerta to Villaraigosa, who was mobbed with admirers after his Friday luncheon speech, to members of Congress such as Loretta Sanchez, D-Garden Grove (Orange County), and Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles.
"Thirty years ago you could bring together people from five states and you could effectively say you were representing the Latino community," said John Trasviña, president of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund.
Today it's more difficult to bridge the sometimes-conflicting approaches of political organizations representing diverse segments of the nation's 43 million-strong Latino population.
Indeed, Latinos make up almost 14 percent of the nation's population, but the gathering included many more southern Californians than people from other parts of the country.
The Latino electorate has grown in recent years, with a record 7.6 million Latinos casting ballots nationally in November 2004 and accounting for an estimated 6 percent of all voters.
A common refrain at last spring's rallies in Los Angeles and in Chicago, Dallas, Washington, D.C. and other cities was "Today we march, tomorrow we vote." But some observers have wondered whether activist energy would transform into a political movement, especially when many of the marchers were not U.S. citizens.
This gathering of seasoned activists, many with roots going back to the Chicano movement of the 1960s and beyond, began to take the effort a step further.
"We've seen the largest mobilizations in American history around immigration; it's the new civil rights movement," said Emma Lozano, a community organizer from Chicago. "Now we need to transform that into political power so we can change these immigration laws."
Talking with colleagues at a conference was not enough, said California State Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles.
"It's about organizing and doing the hard work," he exhorted the crowd Saturday morning. "When we leave this congress, we should plan to spend the next 60 days putting voter registration applications in people's hands."
But the conference was about more than electoral power, said Antonio Gonzalez, director of the Southwest Voter Registration Education Project and a key organizer of the event.
The most burning issue on the conference agenda was to push Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform that offers illegal immigrants a path to citizenship, but the delegates also passed resolutions backing a broad range of issues, including:
-- Electoral reforms, including abolishing the electoral college and allowing for instant-runoff voting;
-- Universal health care;
-- Environmental protection, including reducing global warming and strengthening clean air and clean water laws; and
-- A national holiday to honor United Farm Workers founder Cesar Chavez.
Though some of these issues are not traditionally thought of as Latino concerns, they affect that community, said Congresswoman Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Los Angeles.
"The environment has been a concern and a lonely battle that Latinos have fought for a long time," she said. Whether we're talking about asthma or unwanted manufacturing projects that pollute, we've been in that battle for a long time."
One of the most significant challenges to Latino unity is in bridging the gap between newly arrived migrants, the majority of them undocumented Mexicans, and long-established Hispanic Americans, including some who are not sympathetic to the concerns of illegal immigrants.
But those groups seem to be converging. In a number of recent elections, including the 2005 mayor's race in Los Angeles, labor unions and other groups mobilized hundreds of immigrants, many not citizens, to go door to door and help turn out Latino citizen voters. Dolores Huerta lauded the tactic as a time-honored way to bring new immigrants into the political process.
The other challenge is bridging the divide between the Latino "street," the passionate grassroots activists who have been uncompromising on demanding full rights for all undocumented immigrants, and the longtime political activists facing the harsh realities for a pro-immigrant agenda in a Republican-dominated Congress.
With 43 million Latinos in the nation, the political agenda must be a multifaceted one, said Gonzalez. As for getting everyone on the same page?
"The goal is harmony, not unanimity," said Trasviña.
E-mail Tyche Hendricks thendricks@sfchronicle.com.._,_.___
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